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		<title>New York Times: Mexican Invasion Is Over</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>According to the New York Times, illegal immigration from Mexico has &#8220;sputtered to a trickle,&#8221; so we little citizens needn&#8217;t worry our heads about it any more. Yep, life is much improved in dear Mexico (except for the drug war in which 40,000 have been killed); therefore breaking in to the USA just doesn&#8217;t have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the <em>New York Times</em>, illegal immigration from Mexico has &#8220;sputtered to a trickle,&#8221; so we little citizens needn&#8217;t worry our heads about it any more. Yep, life is much improved in dear Mexico (except for the drug war in which <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2011/06/mexico-war-dead-update-figures-40000.html">40,000 have been killed</a>); therefore breaking in to the USA just doesn&#8217;t have the same charm it once did &#8212; or so says the queen bee of mainstream media.</p>
<p>Of course, <a href="http://www.vdare.com/walker/mexico_the_rich.htm">Mexico is a rich country</a>, currently ranking <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)">#14 among nations of the world for GDP</a>, and there&#8217;s no reason why it couldn&#8217;t do better for its poor people than push them out the door.</p>
<p>However in the <a href="http://www.banderasnews.com/0506/ed-mexstamps.htm">racist society of Mexico</a>, the <a href="http://www.vdare.com/sailer/mexico_part3.htm">white elites</a> don&#8217;t mind when millions of Indians and mestizos leave for the United States. Uncle Sucker&#8217;s unwilling taxpayers fund the invaders&#8217; <a href="http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2006/11/21/mexico-yanks-denvers-chain">healthcare</a> and education, so why should wealthy Mexicans bother? It&#8217;s a system that works well for Mexico&#8217;s ruling class.</p>
<p>Back to the <em>Times</em> article: it is an interesting piece of fiction that relies on pleasant-sounding anecdotes, like young men who say they want to stay home. But a few sweet stories and carefully chosen statistics do not prove the end of a decades-long history of illegal border crossings that have been a rite of passage for Mexican males and an economic system based on remittances for millions.</p>
<p>Another example of propaganda is the bogus chart indicating a falling number of lawbreaking entrants, titled &#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html">An Estimate: Percent of Mexicans the U.S. illegally for the first time</a>.&#8221; Given that most invasive Mexicans have entered numerous times, counting the first timers is not an accurate measure.</p>
<p>It would be terrific news if Mexico really were getting its act together, but the <em>Times</em>&#8216; arguments simply aren&#8217;t credible. Another hint is how much of the information is given in percentages rather than raw numbers of people leaving or not.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, a <em>New York Daily News</em> article suggests that the good news of a better Mexico has not reached the small town of San Marcos Natividad, which is virtually empty of young men, who have unlawfully ended up in Staten Island. (See <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/05/2011-07-05_in_a_corner_of_si_most_of_the_men_from_a_small_town_in_oaxaca_struggle_to_live_w.html"><strong>Men from small town in Oaxaca struggle to live, work and support families amid anti-Mexican tide</strong></a>)</p>
<p><em>Below, Mexicans in Staten Island.</em></p>
<p><img src="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/MexicansInStatenIsland.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html"><strong>Better Lives for Mexicans Cut Allure of Going North</strong></a>, <em>New York Times</em>, July 6, 2011</p>
<p><strong>AGUA NEGRA, Mexico — The extraordinary Mexican migration that delivered millions of illegal immigrants to the United States over the past 30 years has <span style="color: #ff0000;">sputtered to a trickle</span>, and research points to a surprising cause: unheralded changes in Mexico that have made staying home more attractive.</strong></p>
<p>A growing body of evidence suggests that a mix of developments — expanding economic and educational opportunities, rising border crime and shrinking families — are suppressing illegal traffic as much as economic slowdowns or immigrant crackdowns in the United States.</p>
<p>Here in the red-earth highlands of Jalisco, one of Mexico&#8217;s top three states for emigration over the past century, a new dynamic has emerged. For a typical rural family like the Orozcos, heading to El Norte without papers is no longer an inevitable rite of passage. Instead, their homes are filling up with returning relatives; older brothers who once crossed illegally are awaiting visas; and the youngest Orozcos are staying put.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not going to go to the States because I&#8217;m more concerned with my studies,&#8221; said Angel Orozco, 18. Indeed, at the new technological institute where he is earning a degree in industrial engineering, all the students in a recent class said they were better educated than their parents — and that they planned to stay in Mexico rather than go to the United States.</p>
<p>Douglas S. Massey, co-director of the Mexican Migration Project at Princeton, an extensive, long-term survey in Mexican emigration hubs, said his research showed that interest in heading to the United States for the first time had fallen to its lowest level since at least the 1950s. &#8220;No one wants to hear it, but the flow has already stopped,&#8221; Mr. Massey said, referring to illegal traffic. &#8220;For the first time in 60 years, the net traffic has gone to zero and is probably a little bit negative.&#8221;</p>
<p>The decline in illegal immigration, from a country responsible for roughly 6 of every 10 illegal immigrants in the United States, is stark. The Mexican census recently discovered four million more people in Mexico than had been projected, which officials attributed to a sharp decline in emigration.</p>
<p>American census figures analyzed by the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center also show that the illegal Mexican population in the United States has shrunk and that fewer than 100,000 illegal border-crossers and visa-violators from Mexico settled in the United States in 2010, down from about 525,000 annually from 2000 to 2004. Although some advocates for more limited immigration argue that the Pew studies offer estimates that do not include short-term migrants, most experts agree that far fewer illegal immigrants have been arriving in recent years.</p>
<p>The question is why. Experts and American politicians from both parties have generally looked inward, arguing about the success or failure of the buildup of border enforcement and tougher laws limiting illegal immigrants&#8217; rights — like those recently passed in Alabama and Arizona. Deportations have reached record highs as total border apprehensions and apprehensions of Mexicans have fallen by more than 70 percent since 2000.<span id="more-3841"></span></p>
<p>But Mexican immigration has always been defined by both the push (from Mexico) and the pull (of the United States). The decision to leave home involves a comparison, a wrenching cost-benefit analysis, and just as a Mexican baby boom and economic crises kicked off the emigration waves in the 1980s and &#8217;90s, research now shows that the easing of demographic and economic pressures is helping keep departures in check.</p>
<p>In simple terms, Mexican families are smaller than they had once been. The pool of likely migrants is shrinking. Despite the dominance of the Roman Catholic Church in Mexico, birth control efforts have pushed down the fertility rate to about 2 children per woman from 6.8 in 1970, according to government figures. So while Mexico added about one million new potential job seekers annually in the 1990s, since 2007 that figure has fallen to an average of 800,000, according to government birth records. By 2030, it is expected to drop to 300,000.</p>
<p>Even in larger families like the Orozcos&#8217; — Angel is the 9th of 10 children — the migration calculation has changed. Crossing &#8220;mojado,&#8221; wet or illegally, has become more expensive and more dangerous, particularly with drug cartels dominating the border. At the same time, educational and employment opportunities have greatly expanded in Mexico. Per capita gross domestic product and family income have each jumped more than 45 percent since 2000, according to one prominent economist, Roberto Newell. Despite all the depictions of Mexico as &#8220;nearly a failed state,&#8221; he argued, &#8220;the conventional wisdom is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>A significant expansion of legal immigration — aided by American consular officials — is also under way. Congress may be debating immigration reform, but in Mexico, visas without a Congressionally mandated cap on how many people can enter have increased from 2006 to 2010, compared with the previous five years.</p>
<p>State Department figures show that Mexicans who have become American citizens have legally brought in 64 percent more immediate relatives, 220,500 from 2006 through 2010, compared with the figures for the previous five years. Tourist visas are also being granted at higher rates of around 89 percent, up from 67 percent, while American farmers have legally hired 75 percent more temporary workers since 2006.</p>
<p>Edward McKeon, the top American official for consular affairs in Mexico, said he had focused on making legal passage to the United States easier in an effort to prevent people from giving up and going illegally. He has even helped those who were previously illegal overcome bans on entering the United States.</p>
<p>&#8220;If people are trying to do the right thing,&#8221; Mr. McKeon said, &#8220;we need to send the signal that we&#8217;ll reward them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard Years in Jalisco<br />
When Angel Orozco&#8217;s grandfather considered leaving Mexico in the 1920s, his family said, he wrestled with one elemental question: Will it be worth it?</p>
<p>At that point and for decades to come, yes was the obvious answer. In the 1920s and &#8217;30s — when Paul S. Taylor came to Jalisco from California for his landmark study of Mexican emigration — Mexico&#8217;s central highlands promised little more than hard living. Jobs were scarce and paid poorly. Barely one of three adults could read. Families of 10, 12 and even 20 were common, and most children did not attend school.</p>
<p>Comparatively, the United States looked like a dreamland of technology and riches: Mr. Taylor found that the wages paid by the railroads, where most early migrants found legal work, were five times what could be earned on farms in Arandas, the municipality that includes Agua Negra.</p>
<p>Orozco family members still talk about the benefits of that first trip. Part of the land the extended family occupies today was purchased with American earnings from the 1920s. When Angel&#8217;s father, Antonio, went north to pick cotton in the 1950s and &#8217;60s with the Bracero temporary worker program, which accepted more than 400,000 laborers a year at its peak, working in the United States made even more sense. The difference in wages had reached 10 to 1. Arandas was still dirt poor.</p>
<p>Antonio, with just a few years of schooling, was one of many who felt that with a back as strong as a wooden church door, he could best serve his family from across the border.</p>
<p>&#8220;I sent my father money so he could build his house,&#8221; Antonio said.</p>
<p>Legal status then meant little. After the Bracero program ended in 1964, Antonio said, he crossed back and forth several times without documentation. Passage was cheap. Work lasting for a few months or a year was always plentiful. So when his seven sons started to become adults in the 1990s, he encouraged them to go north as well. Around 2001, he and two of his sons were all in the United States working — part of what is now recognized as one of the largest immigration waves in American history.</p>
<p>But even then, illegal immigration was becoming less attractive. In the mid-1990s, the Clinton administration added fences and federal agents to what were then the main crossing corridors beyond Tijuana and Ciudad Juárez. The enforcement push, continued by President George W. Bush and President Obama, helped drive up smuggling prices from around $700 in the late 1980s to nearly $2,000 a decade later, and the costs continued to climb, according to research from the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California, San Diego. It also shifted traffic to more dangerous desert areas near Arizona.</p>
<p>Antonio said the risks hit home when his nephew Alejandro disappeared in the Sonoran Desert around 2002. A father of one and with a pregnant wife, Alejandro had been promised work by a friend. It took years for the authorities to find his body in the arid brush south of Tucson. Even now, no one knows how he died.</p>
<p>But for the Orozcos, border enforcement was not the major deterrent. Andrés Orozco, 28, a middle son who first crossed illegally in 2000, said that while rising smuggling costs and border crime were worries, there were always ways to avoid American agents. In fact, while the likelihood of apprehension has increased in recent years, 92 to 98 percent of those who try to cross eventually succeed, according to research by Wayne A. Cornelius and his colleagues at the University of California, San Diego.</p>
<p>A Period of Progress<br />
Another important factor is Mexico itself. Over the past 15 years, this country once defined by poverty and beaches has progressed politically and economically in ways rarely acknowledged by Americans debating immigration. Even far from the coasts or the manufacturing sector at the border, democracy is better established, incomes have generally risen and poverty has declined.</p>
<p>Here in Jalisco, a tequila boom that accelerated through the 1990s created new jobs for farmers cutting agave and for engineers at the stills. Other businesses followed. In 2003, when David Fitzgerald, a migration expert at the University of California, San Diego, came to Arandas, he found that the wage disparity with the United States had narrowed: migrants in the north were collecting 3.7 times what they could earn at home.</p>
<p>That gap has recently shrunk again. The recession cut into immigrant earnings in the United States, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, even as wages have risen in Mexico, according to World Bank figures. Jalisco&#8217;s quality of life has improved in other ways, too. About a decade ago, the cluster of the Orozco ranches on Agua Negra&#8217;s outskirts received electricity and running water. New census data shows a broad expansion of such services: water and trash collection, once unheard of outside cities, are now available to more than 90 percent of Jalisco&#8217;s homes. Dirt floors can now be found in only 3 percent of the state&#8217;s houses, down from 12 percent in 1990.</p>
<p>Still, education represents the most meaningful change. The census shows that throughout Jalisco, the number of senior high schools or preparatory schools for students aged 15 to 18 increased to 724 in 2009, from 360 in 2000, far outpacing population growth. The Technological Institute of Arandas, where Angel studies engineering, is now one of 13 science campuses created in Jalisco since 2000 — a major reason professionals in the state, with a bachelor&#8217;s degree or higher, also more than doubled to 821,983 in 2010, up from 405,415 in 2000.</p>
<p>Similar changes have occurred elsewhere. In the poor southern states of Chiapas and Oaxaca, for instance, professional degree holders rose to 525,874 from 244,322 in 2000.</p>
<p>And the data from secondary schools like the one the Orozcos attended in Agua Negra suggests that the trend will continue. Thanks to a Mexican government program called &#8220;schools of quality&#8221; the campus of three buildings painted sunflower yellow has five new computers for its 71 students, along with new books.</p>
<p>Teachers here, in classrooms surrounded by blue agave fields, say that enrollment is down slightly because families are having fewer children, and instead of sending workers north, some families have moved to other Mexican cities — a trend also found in academic field research. Around half the students now move on to higher schooling, up from 30 percent a decade ago.</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re identifying more with Mexico,&#8221; said Agustín Martínez González, a teacher. &#8220;With more education, they&#8217;re more likely to accept reality here and try to make it better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some experts agree. Though Mexicans with Ph.D.&#8217;s tend to leave for bigger paychecks abroad, &#8220;if you have a college degree you&#8217;re much more likely to stay in Mexico because that is surely more valuable in Mexico,&#8221; said Jeffrey S. Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center.</p>
<p>If these trends — particularly Mexican economic growth — continue over the next decade, Mr. Passel said, changes in the migration dynamic may become even clearer. &#8220;At the point where the U.S. needs the workers again,&#8221; he said, &#8220;there will be fewer of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Praying for Papers<br />
The United States, of course, has not lost its magnetic appeal. Illegal traffic from Central America has not dropped as fast as it has from Mexico, and even in Jalisco town plazas are now hangouts for men in their 30s with tattoos, oversize baseball caps and a desire to work again in California or another state. Bars with American names — several have adopted Shrek — signal a back and forth that may never disappear.</p>
<p>But more Mexicans are now traveling legally. Several Orozco cousins have received temporary worker visas in the past few years. In March, peak migration season for Jalisco, there were 15 people from Agua Negra at the border waiting to cross.</p>
<p>&#8220;And 10 had visas,&#8221; said Ramón Orozco, 30, another son of Antonio who works in the town&#8217;s government office after being the first in his family to go to college. &#8220;A few years ago there would have been 100, barely any with proper documents.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not unique to Agua Negra. A few towns away at the hillside shrine of St. Toribio, the patron saint of migrants, prayers no longer focus on asking God to help sons, husbands or brothers crossing the desert. &#8220;Now people are praying for papers,&#8221; said María Guadalupe, 47, a longtime volunteer.</p>
<p>How did this happen?</p>
<p>Partly, emigrants say, illegal life in the United States became harder. Laws restricting illegal immigrants&#8217; rights or making it tougher for employers to hire them have passed in more than a dozen states since 2006. The same word-of-mouth networks that used to draw people north are now advising against the journey. &#8220;Without papers all you&#8217;re thinking about is, when are the police going to stop you or what other risks are you going to face,&#8221; said Andrés Orozco.</p>
<p>Andrés, a horse lover who drives a teal pickup from Texas, is one of many Orozcos now pinning their hopes on a visa. And for the first time in years, the chances have improved.</p>
<p>Mexican government estimates based on survey data show not just a decrease in migration overall, but also an increase in border crossings with documents. In 2009, the most recent year for which data is available, 38 percent of the total attempted crossings, legal and illegal, were made with documents. In 2007, only 20 percent involved such paperwork.</p>
<p>The Mexican data counts attempted crossings, not people, and does not differentiate between categories of visas. Nor does it mention how long people stayed, nor whether all the documents were valid.</p>
<p>Advocates of limited immigration worry that the issuing of more visas creates a loophole that can be abused. Between 40 and 50 percent of the illegal immigrants in the United States entered legally with visas they overstayed, as of 2005, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.</p>
<p>More recent American population data, however, shows no overall increase in the illegal Mexican population. That suggests that most of the temporary visas issued to Mexicans — 1.1 million in 2010 — are being used legitimately even as American statistics show clearly that visa opportunities have increased.</p>
<p>Easing a Chaotic Process<br />
One man, Mr. McKeon, the minister counselor who oversees all consular affairs in Mexico, has played a significant role in that expansion.</p>
<p>A lawyer with a white beard and a quick tongue, Mr. McKeon arrived in the summer of 2007. And after more than 30 years working in consular affairs in China, Japan and elsewhere, he quickly decided to make changes in Mexico. Working within administrative rules, State Department officials say, he re-engineered the visa program to de-emphasize the affordability standard that held that visas were to be denied to those who could not prove an income large enough to support travel to the United States.</p>
<p>In a country where a person can cross the border with a 25-cent toll, Mr. McKeon said, the income question was irrelevant. &#8220;You have to look at everyone individually,&#8221; he said in an interview at his office in Mexico City. &#8220;I don&#8217;t want people to say, here&#8217;s the income floor, over yes, lower no.&#8221;</p>
<p>This led to an almost immediate decrease in the rejection rate for tourist visas. Before he arrived, around 32 percent were turned down. Since 2008, the rate has been around 11 percent.</p>
<p>Mr. McKeon — praised by some immigration lawyers for bringing consistency to a chaotic process — was also instrumental in expanding the temporary visa program for agricultural workers. Called H-2A, this is one of the few visa categories without a cap.</p>
<p>Around 2006, as the debate over immigration became more contentious, employers concentrated in the Southeast began applying for more workers through the program. Mr. McKeon began hosting conferences with all the stakeholders and deployed new technology and additional staff members. The waiting time for several visa categories decreased, government reports show. For H-2As, Mexican workers can now receive their documents the same day that they apply.</p>
<p>Mr. McKeon also pushed to make the program more attractive to Mexicans who might otherwise cross the border illegally. Two years ago, he eliminated a $100 visa issuance fee that was supposed to be covered by employers but was usually paid by workers. And he insisted that his staff members change their approach with Mexicans who had previously worked illegally in the United States.</p>
<p>&#8220;The message used to be, if you were working illegally, lie about it or don&#8217;t even try to go legally because we won&#8217;t let you,&#8221; said one senior State Department official. &#8220;What we&#8217;re saying now is, tell us you did it illegally, be honest and we&#8217;ll help you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Specifically, consulate workers dealing with H-2A applicants who were once illegal — making them subject to 3- or 10-year bans depending on the length of their illegal stay — now regularly file electronic waiver applications to the United States Customs and Border Patrol. About 85 percent of these are now approved, Mr. McKeon said, so that in 2010 most of the 52,317 Mexican workers with H-2A visas had previously been in the United States illegally.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not easy to go through this process,&#8221; Mr. McKeon said, &#8220;and I think people who are willing to go through all of that and risk going back to the United States where they have to pay taxes, and withholding, I think we should look favorably on them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking as the son of a New Jersey plumber, he added: &#8220;My bias is toward people who sweat at work because I really think that&#8217;s the backbone of our country. With limited resources, I&#8217;d rather devote our efforts to keeping out a drug kingpin than trying to find someone who works a couple of months at Cousin Hector&#8217;s body shop.&#8221;</p>
<p>A Divisive Topic<br />
In the heated debate over immigration, however, this topic is inevitably divisive. Pro-immigrant groups, when told of the expansion to legal immigration, say it still may not be enough in a country where the baby boomers are retiring in droves.</p>
<p>Farmers still complain that the H-2A visa program is too complicated and addresses only a portion of the total demand. As of 2010, there were 1,381,896 Mexicans still waiting for their green-card applications to be accepted or rejected. And the United States currently makes only 5,000 green cards annually available worldwide for low-wage workers to immigrate permanently; in recent years, only a few of those have gone to Mexicans.</p>
<p>On the other side, Steven A. Camarota, a demographer at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, which favors reduced immigration, said that increasing the proportion of legal entries did little good.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you believe there is significant job competition at the bottom end of the labor market, as I do, you&#8217;re not fixing the problem,&#8221; Mr. Camarota said. &#8220;If you are concerned about the fiscal cost of unskilled immigration and everyone comes in on temporary visas and overstays, or even if they don&#8217;t, the same problems are likely to apply.&#8221;</p>
<p>By his calculations, unskilled immigrants like the Orozcos have, over the years, helped push down hourly wages, especially for young, unskilled American workers. Immigrants are also more likely to rely on welfare, he said, adding to public costs.</p>
<p>The Orozco clan, however, may point to a different future. Angel Orozco, like many other young Mexicans, now talks about the United States not as a place to earn money, but rather as a destination for fun and spending.</p>
<p>Today he is just a lanky, shy freshman wearing a Daughtry T-shirt and living in a two-room apartment with only a Mexican flag and a rosary for decoration.</p>
<p>But his dreams are big and local. After graduating, he said, he hopes to work for a manufacturing company in Arandas, which seems likely because the director of his school says that nearly 90 percent of graduates find jobs in their field. Then, Angel said, he will be able to buy what he really wants: a shiny, new red Camaro.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Patrick Kennedy Speaks for Mental Health</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>After the shooting of Rep. Gabriel Giffords by a disturbed college dropout, I wrote that the crime was a failure of the community to demand mental health treatment for the young man, rather than of gun control (e.g. PBS Examines Mental Health Intervention in Light of Giffords Shooting).</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the shooting of Rep. Gabriel Giffords by a <a href="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/?s=loughner&amp;submit.x=0&amp;submit.y=0">disturbed college dropout</a>, I wrote that the crime was a failure of the community to demand mental health treatment for the young man, rather than of gun control (e.g. <a href="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2011/02/10/pbs-examines-mental-health-intervention-in-light-of-giffords-shooting"><strong>PBS Examines Mental Health Intervention in Light of Giffords Shooting</strong></a>).</p>
<p>Pima Community College knew very well that Jared Loughner was a dangerously unstable young man, and it <a href="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2011/01/16/what-pima-community-college-learned-from-seung-hui-cho">suspended him from campus to ward off future lawsuits</a>, instead of pushing him into much needed treatment. <a href="http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/12/5826284-records-show-fear-of-loughner-lack-of-mental-health-intervention">Students in classes with him  feared</a> getting shot <a href="http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/12/29/immigration-story-1-for-2007-the-hard-way/">Virginia Tech style</a>.</p>
<p>Liberal media propagandists like <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/08/paul-krugman-blames-giffords-shooting-palin-limbaugh-and-beck">Paul Krugman</a> jumped on the Giffords shooting just hours afterward when nothing was known of the killer&#8217;s motivation to connect the mass murder with conservative rhetoric and Arizona&#8217;s <a href="http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/usual-suspects-line-up-to-exploit-giffords-shooting">freedom to carry</a>.</p>
<p>So it was almost pleasant to see the execrable ex-congressman Patrick Kennedy interviewed about mental problems as being the last persistent stigma, and he specifically mentioned Jared Loughner as an example.</p>
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		<title>PBS Examines Mental Health Intervention in Light of Giffords Shooting</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It was alarming (but not surprising) to see the usual gun-grabbers immediately swing into action after the mass murder in Tucson that killed six and severely wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.</p>
<p>As I wrote at the time, the public policy failure was in the mental health arena, not gun control. Fellow students in shooter Jared Loughner&#8217;s classes [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was alarming (but not surprising) to see the usual gun-grabbers immediately swing into action after the mass murder in Tucson that killed six and severely wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.</p>
<p>As I wrote at the time, the public policy failure was in the mental health arena, not gun control. Fellow students in shooter Jared Loughner&#8217;s classes feared he would go violently crazy and start shooting them Virginia Tech style. The clearly disturbed young man needed a mental health intervention, but the college merely protected itself from a lawsuit by barring Loughner&#8217;s attendance, without warning the larger community. (See my blog, <a href="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2011/01/16/what-pima-community-college-learned-from-seung-hui-cho"><strong>What Pima Community College Learned from Seung-Hui Cho</strong></a>.)</p>
<p>So I was pleasantly surprised to see that terrible event included as part of a PBS Newshour segment about a mental health intervention program in California, to identify young people suffering the onset of schizophrenia and get them appropriate treatment early on. <a href="http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm">Schizophrenia typically develops in persons between the ages of 15 and 25</a>, so alerting teachers to the symptoms, to be followed up by professional help, is a sensible approach to preventing a variety of human tragedies.</p>
<p>The young man profiled said he began developing symptoms like hearing voices over a period of just days. He was fortunate to have alert and loving parents.</p>
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<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/02/in-wake-of-tucson-shootings-program-tries-to-minimize-schizophrenias-impact.html"><strong>In Wake of Tucson Shootings, Program Tries to Catch, Treat Psychosis Early</strong></a>, PBS Newshour,  February 9, 2011</p>
<p>A decision made by California voters six years ago may well have a bearing on the mental health issues raised by the shooting spree in Tucson, Ariz.</p>
<p>Californians decided in 2004 to impose an extra 1 percent income tax for people who made $1 million a year. Some called it a &#8220;Robin Hood tax.&#8221; The money would be used to support mental health programs, which advocates said were underfunded. The initiative &#8212; called Proposition 63 &#8211;passed with very little opposition. In the time since, it has raised $6.3 billion- money the state is eyeing enviously in these days of big budget shortfalls.</p>
<p>Besides beefing up mental health services and using a team approach to keep the mentally ill from becoming homeless, Prop. 63 set aside some money for early identification and treatment of mental illness, as well as for innovation. Independent academic evaluations of some of these programs have judged them a spectacular success: dramatically lower arrest rates, lower hospitalization rates and less homelessness among the patients enrolled in Prop. 63 programs.<span id="more-2957"></span></p>
<p>How the money is spent is up to California&#8217;s 58 counties; a few of them are taking the &#8220;innovation&#8221; mandate seriously and have come up with new programs to improve the lot of the mentally ill. One in particular has drawn attention of late, following the deadly shooting attack in Tucson. All the mental health experts I spoke with &#8211; none of whom knew Tucson suspect Jared Loughner but had just read about him &#8211; agreed that the shooter was likely mentally ill, probably paranoid schizophrenic, and undiagnosed and untreated.</p>
<p>At the Family Service Agency of San Francisco, a large nonprofit that serves many functions, CEO Bob Bennett decided that by using Prop. 63 money, he could set up an early diagnosis and treatment program for severely mentally ill people, people who may not have had a real onset of schizophrenia yet, but who were displaying symptoms of early psychosis.</p>
<p>And 35 percent of the individuals who have these early symptoms will go on to develop a full psychotic disorder within 2 ½ years.</p>
<p>Members of Bennett&#8217;s family had suffered schizophrenia, and he figured it if you could catch the illness early, you could treat it and head off bad outcomes. He found some programs abroad that had success with that approach, and he used them as models to establish what he calls PREP &#8212; Prevention and Recovery in Early Psychosis.</p>
<p>Bennett is convinced had Loughner been referred to his program, it could have made a difference: &#8220;He had what&#8217;s called paranoid schizophrenia; paranoia is a very common symptom of schizophrenia, and the treatments that we use in our early psychosis program are very effective in addressing paranoia.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two years ago, a 17-year-old San Francisco high school student named Andrew showed signs of paranoia and early psychosis. He was referred to the PREP program, and says he is no longer is hearing voices. In fact, he is leading a normal life and applying to college. I spoke with him and his mother, Simone, for a story airing Wednesday on the PBS NewsHour, leaving out their last names for privacy. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rws1niDxqK8">Here&#8217;s an excerpt from that interview</a>.</p>
<p>The treatment includes low doses of medication, cognitive behavioral therapy (as opposed to traditional, Freudian-based therapy that delves into a patient&#8217;s past), and intense family and community support. Bennett says the aim &#8220;is to turn schizophrenia from being a disease that features crisis after crisis and hospitalization after hospitalization, and long-term cognitive decline and social design &#8230; into a chronic disease &#8230; where you can lead a normal life.&#8221;</p>
<p>So far the program has not been independently evaluated, but the Family Service Agency claims the rate of success is high: only a 10 percent hospitalization rate, a 7 percent dropout rate, and three-quarters of patients in school or working.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a program that bears further looking at, especially when the nation&#8217;s attention is still focused on Tucson.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Brutality as Defined by Dinosaur Media</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The liberal press has taken some notice to the death sentence by stoning for an Iranian woman, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, for adultery. The execution has been postponed for review after the international uproar; however it still may be carried out.</p>
<p>In order to burnish its appearance of caring about justice (so important to liberal media), Newsweek [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liberal press has taken some notice to the death sentence by stoning for an Iranian woman, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, for adultery. The execution has been <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/07/09/international/i233458D90.DTL">postponed for review</a> after the international uproar; however it still may be carried out.</p>
<p>In order to burnish its appearance of caring about justice (so important to liberal media), <em>Newsweek</em> (July 9) has presented a list of brutal punishments in response to the Iranian stoning case. So virtuous.</p>
<p>Since many of the truly cruel punishments occur in the Muslim world under sharia law, <em>Newsweek</em> threw in an American execution by firing squad to promote the diversity fable that all cultures are morally equal.</p>
<p>The article did note that the man to be executed actually <strong>chose</strong> death by firing squad, but nevertheless included shooting as one of its brutal punishments, along with the everyday punishments of beheading, amputations and stoning so favored by Islam.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/09/the-world-s-most-barbaric-punishments.html"><strong>The World&#8217;s Most Barbaric Punishments:</strong></a> <em><br />
Stoning is not the only cruel and unusual measure courts around the world—and in America—hand out.</em></p>
<p><strong>Blinding</strong></p>
<p>In 2003 an Indian citizen working in Saudi Arabia took part in a brawl, wounding a man&#8217;s eye. Puthan Veettil Abd ul-Latif Noushad was eventually sentenced, in 2005, to <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2005/12/18/periscope.html">have his own right eye gouged out as punishment</a>. It was, <a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2005/12/08/saudi-arabia-court-orders-eye-be-gouged-out">according to charity Human Rights Watch</a>, the third eye-gouging sentence handed down within a year. HRW was unable to confirm whether any of the gougings had actually taken place. In Noushad&#8217;s case, the Indian government made an appeal for clemency. It is not clear if the appeal was successful. The State Department, on its website, <a href="http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61698.htm">still lists eye-gouging</a> as a punishment that can be handed down by courts in Saudia Arabia.</p>
<p>Iran also allows chemical blinding. In 2005 a 27-year-old man named only as Majid had been stalking a woman, Ameneh Bahrami. When she refused his advances he poured a container of sulphuric acid over her. Bahrami was blinded and disfigured. Majid was sentenced to have <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.acid.justice/">five drops of hydrochloric acid dripped into each open eye</a>, blinding him.  […]</p>
<p><strong>Shooting</strong></p>
<p>Ronnie Lee Gardner, a convicted murderer who elected to die by firing squad, was strapped to a chair at a prison in Draper, Utah, and shot with .30 caliber bullets just after midnight on June 18 this year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/18/the-mechanics-of-an-execution-by-firing-squad.html">According to the Associated Press</a> his head was &#8220;secured by a strap across his forehead. Harness-like straps constrained his chest. His handcuffed arms hung at his sides. A white cloth square affixed to his chest over his heart—maybe 3 inches across—bore a black target.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Among some in the military, death by firing squad is considered more honorable than hanging. One example was <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=pBlPaWd89J4C&amp;pg=PA329">Nazi Hermann Göring</a>, who requested that form of execution, but was denied and managed to commit suicide rather than be hanged.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no nice way to be executed, of course, but according to <em>Newsweek</em>, a firing squad is right up there with a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm">Saudi sword removing the head</a>.</p>
<p><em>In Somalia, <a href="http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2009/12/14/in-somalia-stoner-has-a-different-meaning">stoning is a popular form of do-it-yourself execution</a> by sharia enthusiasts.</em></p>
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		<title>Bad-Faith Media Achieves New Heights of Dishonesty</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 00:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Mark Twain supposedly remarked, &#8220;A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on.&#8221;</p>
<p>He must have had the dinosaur media in mind as the sender of the lie, since the MSM is either painfully stupid or agenda-driven about topics that don&#8217;t appeal to elite liberals. For example, it has shown [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Twain supposedly remarked, &#8220;A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on.&#8221;</p>
<p>He must have had the dinosaur media in mind as the sender of the lie, since the MSM is either painfully stupid or agenda-driven about topics that don&#8217;t appeal to elite liberals. For example, it has shown no sign of being able to learn anything about the immigration issue despite years of patient tutelage to dopey reporters by diligent patriots.</p>
<p>In fact, the press has been spewing hysterical falsehoods about the <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Byron-York/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html">Arizona immigration law</a> at record decibels. The last week has been an unprecedented Pravda-like shriek-fest at the very idea that a state government would step in where the feds have refused to do their duty.</p>
<p>First and foremost, the dinosaur media have been accepting as fact the disinformation disgorged by Raza, the $PLC et al, who paint any effort at border enforcement as racist profiling. One example is the despicable $PLC&#8217;s characterization of attorney Kris Kobach as a <a href="http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/04/28/hate-group-lawyer-drafted-arizona-anti-immigrant-law">&#8220;hate group lawyer,&#8221;</a> when he is in fact a courageous defender of pubic safety and American sovereignty.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that all the howling has been about fear based on an imaginary idea of the law. Arizona law officers will not be rounding up illegal aliens en masse, storm-trooper style; they will be checking IDs for status during traffic stops and crime investigations. No one has been &#8220;profiled&#8221; nor will they be &#8212; it&#8217;s all fear-mongering. But the open-borders gang is very frightened by the prospect of genuine immigration enforcement, because the idea might catch on (as <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20003648-503544.html">it has in at least five other states</a>).</p>
<p>On the other side is the real terror that border-area Arizonans experience. Ranchers have their property invaded daily by dangerous drug and alien smugglers. <a href="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/03/30/arizona-rancher-murdered">Rancher Robert Krenz was murdered</a> in March by a smuggler, and on Friday a <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/04/30/national/a181359D33.DTL">Pinal County deputy was shot</a> by an alien armed with an AK-47.</p>
<p>But according to the corrupt media, the <a href="http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/04/27/arizona-dinosaur-media-emphasize-race-hysteria-while-ignoring-alien-crime-against-citizens">worries of illegal aliens about profiling are more important than actual violent crimes</a> committed against law-abiding citizens. So it goes in the nation&#8217;s newsrooms.</p>
<p>Ann Coulter has been chatting up willing interviewers about the issue:</p>
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<p>If Coulter&#8217;s explanation isn&#8217;t a sufficient kick in the pants, check out the list of corrosive, untrue remarks collected by Byron York, illustrating how deeply unscrupulous the press is.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/top-10-dumbest-things-said-about-the-arizona-immigration-law-92577964.html#ixzz0mnv1yDOW"><strong>Top 10 dumbest things said about the Arizona immigration law</strong></a>, <em>Washington Examiner</em>, April 30, 2010</p>
<p>The last few days have seen an extraordinary outburst of criticism of Arizona’s new immigration law.  In the nation’s elite media outlets, its most respected commentators are portraying the law as an act of police-state repression.  Many, if not all, of the specific criticisms can be refuted simply by reading the law itself, but others are more generalized criticisms of immigration enforcement.  In any event, it’s hard to choose the most over-the-top and wrongheaded commentary on the law, but here are ten choices, in no particular order.  (If you don’t know why a particular statement is wrong, you can check <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Byron-York/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/What-America-is-Michael-Gerson-living-in-92301779.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/How-Obama-could-lose-Arizona-immigration-battle-92460459.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/in-response-to-critics-arizona-tweaks-new-immigration-law-92495249.html">here</a>.)</p>
<p>1. “The statute requires police officers to stop and question anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/opinion/30fri1.html?ref=opinion">– New York Times editorial</a></p>
<p>2. “As the Arizona abomination makes clear, there is a desperate need for federal immigration action to stop the country from turning into a nation of vigilantes suspicious of anybody with dark skin.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043001389.html?hpid=opinionsbox1">– Dana Milbank, Washington Post</a></p>
<p>3. “I can’t imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques whereby people are required to turn one another in to the authorities on any suspicion of documentation.”</p>
<p><a href="http://cardinalrogermahonyblogsla.blogspot.com/">– Cardinal Roger Mahony</a></p>
<p>4. “This law creates a suspect class, based in part on ethnicity, considered guilty until they prove themselves innocent. It makes it harder for illegal immigrants to live without scrutiny — but it also makes it harder for some American citizens to live without suspicion and humiliation. Americans are not accustomed to the command ‘Your papers, please,’ however politely delivered. The distinctly American response to such a request would be ‘Go to hell,’ and then ‘See you in court.’”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042703894.html">– Michael Gerson, Washington Post</a></p>
<p>5. “In case the phrase ‘lawful contact’ makes it appear as if the police are authorized to act only if they observe an undocumented-looking person actually committing a crime, another section strips the statute of even that fig leaf of reassurance. ‘A person is guilty of trespassing,’ the law provides, by being ‘present on any public or private land in this state’ while lacking authorization to be in the United States — a new crime of breathing while undocumented.”</p>
<p><a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/breathing-while-undocumented/">– Linda Greenhouse, New York Times</a></p>
<p>(Greenhouse’s “trespassing” allegation was based on an early version of the Arizona bill that was not the bill that became law.  Her mistake was later removed from the Times site, but you can see <a href="http://www.law.yale.edu/news/11583.htm">original version here</a>.)</p>
<p>6. “Federal law treats illegal immigration as a civil violation; Arizona law criminalizes it by using the legally dubious mechanism of equating the mere presence of undocumented immigrants with trespassing.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/28/AR2010042805359.html">– Washington Post editorial</a></p>
<p>(This editorial makes the same mistake as Linda Greenhouse’s “trespassing” column above.)</p>
<p>7. “I am saddened today at the prospect of a young Hispanic immigrant in Arizona going to the grocery store and forgetting to bring her passport and immigration documents with her. I cannot be dispassionate about the fact that the very act of her being in the grocery store will soon be a crime in the state she lives in…An immigrant who is charged with the crime of trespassing for simply being in a community without his papers on him is being told he is committing a crime by simply being.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/desmond-tutu/arizona----the-wrong-answ_b_557955.html">– Bishop Desmond Tutu, Huffington Post</a></p>
<p>(Tutu is perhaps relying on the erroneous information in the New York Times and Washington Post above.)</p>
<p>8. “It harkens back to apartheid where all black people in South Africa were required to carry documents in order to move from one part of town to another.”</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=10469580">– Cynthia Tucker, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, on ABC’s “This Week”</a></p>
<p>9. “You can imagine, if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona…suddenly, if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-ottumwa-iowa-town-hall">– President Barack Obama</a></p>
<p>10. “This week, Arizona signed the toughest illegal immigration law in the country which will allow police to demand identification papers from anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. I know there’s some people in Arizona worried that Obama is acting like Hitler, but could we all agree that there’s nothing more Nazi than saying ‘Show me your papers?’ There’s never been a World War II movie that didn’t include the line ’show me your papers.’ It’s their catchphrase. Every time someone says ’show me your papers,’ Hitler’s family gets a residual check. So heads up, Arizona; that’s fascism. I know, I know, it’s a dry fascism, but it’s still fascism.”</p>
<p><a href="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/seth-myers-could-we-all-agree-theres-nothi">– Seth Myers, “Saturday Night Live”</a></p></blockquote>
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